Back in November, our favorite misanthrope announced former Heritage Front leader Marc Lemire's appeal of his Sec. 13 conviction:
Today the Federal Court of Canada made a decision regarding Marc Lemire's appeal of the Sec 13 ruling against him (he had previously had another related appeal dismissed).
Lemire not only lost his appeal, but the Federal Court also reinstated the constitutionality of the penalty clause of Sec 13.
To see the complete ruling, we suggest our dear readers click here.
We'll await the crying and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspects. Fromm himself is a little behind as he has only started to complain about the costs awarded to Mr. Warman in his libel case against Free Dominion:
Free Dominion Silenced -- Richard Warman Cannot Be Criticized on their Site
Richard Warman seems to do very well in Ottawa with defamation suits. The courts there seem to like him and he pockets fat awards, plus costs. He's a hometown boy. His wife too works in the legal system. It's tough for outsiders like the Fourniers or CAFE/Fromm or others who have not had the home town advantage. On January 23, a provincial superior judge, Robert Smith, slapped the Fourniers with a crushing Singapore-style $127,000 judgement -- damages and costs for Richard Warman in a six-year long defamation suit. The Fourniers are shutting down their website Free Dominion, at least as a discussion board.
They write: "As of today, January 23, 2014, and after 13 years online, Free Dominion is closing its doors to the public. We have been successfully censored.
Today, Ontario Superior Court Justice Robert Smith issued an order in the Richard Warman vs Mark and Connie Fournier and John Does defamation case heard September, 2013. In addition to ordering that we must pay Warman $127,000, Justice Smith issued an injunction against us ordering we that never publish, or allow to be published, anything negative about Richard Warman. This means we are barred for life from ever operating a public forum or a blog (even about cookie recipes) where the public can comment. If we do so, any one of Warman’s handful of supporters could, and probably would, use a common proxy server to avoid being traced, plant a negative comment about Warman on our site, and we would both be charged with contempt of court. If that happened --unlike in the Ottawa courtroom where we were blocked at every turn from presenting a defense-- we actually would have no defense. We would both go to jail. This life sentence was imposed for our terrible crimes of voicing our honestly held beliefs and allowing others to do the same. Defamation law, in its current state, is entirely inadequate and counterproductive when applied to the internet. Now it is being used as a tool of censorship. Effectively!
We are assessing our options.
In faith,
Mark and Connie Fournier
The good news is that the Fourniers are appealing. [NOTE: And how well did that go for you when you appealed, Paulie?]
A lawyer we consulted says that Canada's libel laws have to be changed and brought into the age of the Internet. To make the owner of a discussion board responsible for the comments of anonymous posters is repressive and unrealistic. In the U.S., an aggrieved person must go after the person who wrote the post, not the owner of the discussion board.
The injunction granted to Richard Warman is an outrage. It makes 41 comments -- deemed defamatory -- forbidden. While the Fourniers may be able to tiptoe in their own comments around the thin-skinned self-styled Ottawa "human rights" lawyer, they fear a troll, a mischievous "anti-racist" or even an exuberant critic of Warman's decade long attack on posters he disapproves of on the Internet might repeat one of the forbidden criticisms -- even as I am forbidden by Madam Monique Metivier's judgement to call Mr. Warman a "censor" -- and, thus, land the Fourniers into a position where they are in contempt of court and on a swift trip to prison -- two more potential political prisoners in this land that preaches free speech, but practices repression.
Canada's libel laws desperately need reform. As they stand now, they are capriciously applied, A prominent Vancovuer shock jock called Doug Christie "a perverted monster" for defending Ernst Zundel's right to speak. That was not considered defamatory. [NOTE: It's a little disingenuous for Paulie to be using Christie to condemn libel law. As Christie himself sued people a number of times for libel. Some cases he lost. Others he won.] Canada's libel laws are beginning to resemble those of Singapore in the past. Yes, opposition to the strongman was permitted and there was a feeble opposition and the trappings of democracy. However, any opposition politician who criticized a government member quickly found himself sued for libel. Ruinous judgements soon all but silenced the opposition.
Sadly, Canada seems headed in this direction.
The Fourniers have decided to shut down FreeDominion as a discussion board. That may be wise in a repressive state but it is sad. Canada needs more spirited discussion, not less.
We'll see how he and others respond to the Lemire decision now.
In the meantime, it seems that Mr. Warman has had an especially good couple of weeks.
Today the Federal Court of Canada made a decision regarding Marc Lemire's appeal of the Sec 13 ruling against him (he had previously had another related appeal dismissed).
Lemire not only lost his appeal, but the Federal Court also reinstated the constitutionality of the penalty clause of Sec 13.
To see the complete ruling, we suggest our dear readers click here.
We'll await the crying and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspects. Fromm himself is a little behind as he has only started to complain about the costs awarded to Mr. Warman in his libel case against Free Dominion:
Free Dominion Silenced -- Richard Warman Cannot Be Criticized on their Site
Richard Warman seems to do very well in Ottawa with defamation suits. The courts there seem to like him and he pockets fat awards, plus costs. He's a hometown boy. His wife too works in the legal system. It's tough for outsiders like the Fourniers or CAFE/Fromm or others who have not had the home town advantage. On January 23, a provincial superior judge, Robert Smith, slapped the Fourniers with a crushing Singapore-style $127,000 judgement -- damages and costs for Richard Warman in a six-year long defamation suit. The Fourniers are shutting down their website Free Dominion, at least as a discussion board.
They write: "As of today, January 23, 2014, and after 13 years online, Free Dominion is closing its doors to the public. We have been successfully censored.
Today, Ontario Superior Court Justice Robert Smith issued an order in the Richard Warman vs Mark and Connie Fournier and John Does defamation case heard September, 2013. In addition to ordering that we must pay Warman $127,000, Justice Smith issued an injunction against us ordering we that never publish, or allow to be published, anything negative about Richard Warman. This means we are barred for life from ever operating a public forum or a blog (even about cookie recipes) where the public can comment. If we do so, any one of Warman’s handful of supporters could, and probably would, use a common proxy server to avoid being traced, plant a negative comment about Warman on our site, and we would both be charged with contempt of court. If that happened --unlike in the Ottawa courtroom where we were blocked at every turn from presenting a defense-- we actually would have no defense. We would both go to jail. This life sentence was imposed for our terrible crimes of voicing our honestly held beliefs and allowing others to do the same. Defamation law, in its current state, is entirely inadequate and counterproductive when applied to the internet. Now it is being used as a tool of censorship. Effectively!
We are assessing our options.
In faith,
Mark and Connie Fournier
The good news is that the Fourniers are appealing. [NOTE: And how well did that go for you when you appealed, Paulie?]
A lawyer we consulted says that Canada's libel laws have to be changed and brought into the age of the Internet. To make the owner of a discussion board responsible for the comments of anonymous posters is repressive and unrealistic. In the U.S., an aggrieved person must go after the person who wrote the post, not the owner of the discussion board.
The injunction granted to Richard Warman is an outrage. It makes 41 comments -- deemed defamatory -- forbidden. While the Fourniers may be able to tiptoe in their own comments around the thin-skinned self-styled Ottawa "human rights" lawyer, they fear a troll, a mischievous "anti-racist" or even an exuberant critic of Warman's decade long attack on posters he disapproves of on the Internet might repeat one of the forbidden criticisms -- even as I am forbidden by Madam Monique Metivier's judgement to call Mr. Warman a "censor" -- and, thus, land the Fourniers into a position where they are in contempt of court and on a swift trip to prison -- two more potential political prisoners in this land that preaches free speech, but practices repression.
Canada's libel laws desperately need reform. As they stand now, they are capriciously applied, A prominent Vancovuer shock jock called Doug Christie "a perverted monster" for defending Ernst Zundel's right to speak. That was not considered defamatory. [NOTE: It's a little disingenuous for Paulie to be using Christie to condemn libel law. As Christie himself sued people a number of times for libel. Some cases he lost. Others he won.] Canada's libel laws are beginning to resemble those of Singapore in the past. Yes, opposition to the strongman was permitted and there was a feeble opposition and the trappings of democracy. However, any opposition politician who criticized a government member quickly found himself sued for libel. Ruinous judgements soon all but silenced the opposition.
Sadly, Canada seems headed in this direction.
The Fourniers have decided to shut down FreeDominion as a discussion board. That may be wise in a repressive state but it is sad. Canada needs more spirited discussion, not less.
We'll see how he and others respond to the Lemire decision now.
In the meantime, it seems that Mr. Warman has had an especially good couple of weeks.
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