Paulie and (Southern Ontario Skin Member) Yordi Sitting In A Tree....

.... H. E. I. L. I. N. G.

Before we get the the reason for this post, we have to thank Paul Fromm. You see Paulie has been very generous regarding some of the gifts he's been giving us lately. For example, there's this little gem from a week or two back:

Hitler as Jesus. Seems a little blasphemous for someone who claims a devout Christian and which I'm sure would be offensive to a lot of people for a whole lot of reasons. But maybe we aren't being fair? Some of the words have been cut off. Perhaps there's a reasonable explanation?

Uhm, nope. But it does hit all the bonehead themes. Accusing the Jews of deicide, deification of Hilter, and denying the Holocaust while at the same time accusing Jews of being liars, all wrapped up in the abysmal spelling, punctuation and grammar we've come to know and love.


But we digress.

In a previous post we noted that Paulie had a new Facebook friend:

"Yordi" here is a member of Max Hynes bonehead gang, Southern Ontario Skins (SOS). "Yordi" who is pictured below has gone by a few names on Facebook, including "Odin TheCelt" and most recently (before his most recent name change) "Itsoktobe White":

Southern Ontario "Skinheads": Who's Who?

It isn't a surprise that the boneheads read this blog. In fact, since we were the only media that even wrote anything about their little march in London last weekend, some have been paying close attention:

But then again they might not always be pleased with the coverage we provide:

While we didn't see any evidence that Winnicki attended the march, we thought that it was time to take a look at those individuals who are known to have attended (both SOS members and their supporters) as well as some of support that didn't make it to this event.

Paul Fromm, the London March, and the Fine Art of Turd Polishing

First, let us begin by stating if the boneheads in London, ON wish to hold another march and rally in the same manner that they did yesterday, we unreservedly support their efforts.

No, really.

We will explain, but first we should note that Paulie provides his account of the march yesterday:

Why don't we first examine the claims Paulie makes in this account?

London, Ontario: Today's Bonehead March in Perspective

They had been planning this for a while (goodness knows they had to make up for the disaster that happened last year) and though we expected it soon, we didn't know when it was going to happen. But today, Max Hynes and others associated with the Southern Ontario Skinheads (as well as Paul Fromm) held a march and rally in London, Ontario.

But there were not any dramatic confrontations despite the claims of the boneheads they would, "smash" the anti-racists next time they met.

As one of our friends noted, they decided to keep the march and rally a secret, then rallied in front of a closed government building and empty street while most people were at home eating dinner. And all the while, most had their faces covered.

"White Pride" indeed.

Hey, How DID Things Go in London, BTW?

We received a note concerning the events of last Saturday in London, ON where Blood & Honour attempted to hold a march.

Max Hynes, "Wes Smith" and Amanda Jackson

Suffice it to say, things could not have gone more poorly for them.

From one of the organizers:

An Examination of Marc Lemire: Part VII

This extension of the Lemire articles is in direct response to the statement made by Lemire in August (repeated in December) when asked by Ezra Levant about his involvement in the Heritage Front:

Uh, the Heritage Front uh, was active back in, uh, the the 90s and I was a young kid at the time. I had some, uh, interest in some of the things that they were doing in particularly thing like uh opposition to employment equity, things like reducing immigration. So I uh, listened to some of what they were about, and uh, I went away from it. I mean I was involved with them peripherally in my teenage years.

Now, for someone who claims to have only been peripherally involved with the Heritage Front in his teenage years, it is interesting that he has surrounded himself with people who were members of the Heritage Front.

In the last post on the subject, we included a newpaper article from July 21, 1998 which provides information concerning Heritage Front activities in Kingston, ON.  At this point the Heritage Front was still active, but it is pretty clear that the Bristow affair had resulted in a precipitous decline in the fortunes of hate group (there would be a brief resurgence in 2001, though this too would be short lived), but it is clear that Droege and the remaining chapters across Canada were still trying to make conversions.

When we looked at the article again, one name (other than Droege) jumped out at us:

Occupy Movement: Free Speech For Me, But Not For Thee

Oh, how we loves us our Free Dominion!

The folks at Free Dominion present themselves as principled defenders of speech. This is, on the surface, a noble sentiment. Principled men and women from Voltaire to Gerry Spence have defended speech that they personally found abhorrent, but that they still believed was necessary to defend for the sake of everyone's freedoms.

The folks at Free Dominion are not Voltaire or Gerry Spence. They aren't even a poor man's Lenny Bruce or George Carlin (NSFW, FYI), though the members are often inadvertently funny.

September 2011 Bits and Bites: Blasts From the Distant Past, the Recent Past, and Current News Sandwiched in the Middle

Sometimes we like to revisit some older stories, some of which are so old they predate this blog by close to four decades.

For example, here's a name we haven't heard about in years:

Well, it's not entirely true that you were the provincial Socred leader, is it Paulie?

We Haven't Forgotten About You, Terry.

Hey, with all the focus on the civic election in Ontario this past Monday, we almost forgot that Terry Tremaine, who is pictured above (second from the left) with Paul Fromm (far left), Dave Ruud of the Northern Alliance (in the black, "Punisher" t-shirt) and Tomasz Winnicki (far right) would soon be tried on contempt charges:



This is all related to Tremaine's refusal to abide by a CHRT ruling, but he's also facing criminal charges for some of his writing as well.

November always seems to be an interesting month.

Does Paulie Fudge His Numbers?

Paulie has been a busy boy, traveling around Canada promoting nativism and xenophobia regarding the Tamil migrants. And Paulie, the self-promoter that he is, has been tooting his horn all over Stormfront. Says Paulie of his Hamilton rally:

Two dozen concerned Hamiltonians and supporters of the Canada First Immigration Reform Committee gathered today in the late afternoon at the War Memorial in Gore Park (King and John Streets) to gather signatures on a letter to the Prime Minister to protest the government’s decision to allow a boatload of illegals to enter Canadian waters last. This was part of a nation-wide series of such rallies.

And here they are:


Hmmmm, that doesn't seem like two dozen people. Well, perhaps they weren't all photographed, just as the 20 people he claims attended his and the Northern Alliance's protest in London didn't all make it into the photograph) Still, given the report we received about his efforts in Ottawa, we have to question the numbers he's claiming:

Today, August 25th, around 12:30:

Paul Fromm and two racist supporters were confronted in Ottawa today as they tried to hold a (tiny) protest against rights for the Tamils of the MV Sun Sea. They were shouted down and promptly scampered away before a larger crowd of anti-racists had time to arrive at the scene of their (tiny) protest.

Their (tiny) protest was to be held today, two days after No One Is Illegal Ottawa held a much larger demonstration in favor of letting the Tamil migrants stay on Monday August 23rd.

"from one community of resistance to another, we welcome you" said one Anishnabe member of NOII-Ottawa, speaking at the pro Tamil rights protest of monday.

“To those who say that immigrants are a burden, we ask you: Who cleans up after you? Who picks your fruit and vegetables? Who serves you food? Who drives you around? Who builds your houses, your schools, your hospitals? Time and time again, immigrants are scapegoated for the problems of capitalism.” said another NOII spokesperson to the enthusiastic crowd that had assembled in front of the Citizenship and Immigration Canada offices downtown Ottawa.

As NOII and other migrant justice groups continue to fight to dispel racist and xenophobic myths about Tamil migrants, it is important to keep the pressure on, especially when we are up against known Nazi supporters.

For more info on No One Is Illegal: www.nooneisillegal.org

So we can't help but question if Paulie is being honest about the groundswell of support that he's receiving, or the claims being made about the numbers signing his petitions:

A similar rally in Calgary netted several thousands of signatures, “a hell of a lot of sheets filled,” said organizer Kyle McKee.

Still, if this were true, we wonder if those who signed are aware that the Aryan Guard is spearheading this effort in Calgary. But back to Hamilton:

Residue of both drugs and explosives were found on their clothes.

Well, that's a bit of a lie at this point as well. Back in November 2009 when a group of Tamil refugees made it to Canada, the government claimed that two articles of clothing tested positive for chemicals that could be used in the making of explosives. Then again, if you tested the clothing of the average Canadian farmer, there's a good chance that you would find residue of chemicals that could be used in making bombs... or fertilizing their fields. Either way, right?

Paulie is using something that occurred in 2009 and trying to say it applies to this case as well. Right now there's no indication that this claim is true at all (and, like the claim that the ship was filled with people infected with TB, may prove to be absolutely false). Besides, Paulie himself associates with people convicted of possessing bomb making materials.

Then again this refugee case is rife with lies and half truths. Not long ago, a "Toronto Sun" article claimed that most Tamil refugees returned to Sri Lanka for vacation during the civil war, calling into question their claims of persecution. Paulie jumped on it immediately:


However, as the fabulous Kady O'Malley pointed out on her blog, context is pretty damn important:

First of all, what exactly is a "secret government survey"? Does that mean a poll? A focus group? A voluntary questionnaire? Were respondents randomly selected from the total Tamil immigrant population - not that I'm sure how, exactly, one would do that -- and then weighted so as to be representative of the whole? How was it conducted -- and by whom? What was the margin of error?

According to the Sun, CBSA refused to release the full study, although it did confirm the numbers obtained by QMI. The story did not, alas, provide any further detail on the methodology, so I sent a query off to CBSA to see if they'd be willing to give me a little more information. Less than two hours later, I received the following response:

Per your request: travel patterns of Sri Lankans returning to their homeland after being granted refugee status in Canada, we can confirm that a small sampling was done (50 persons) and here are the results:

Of the 50 files reviewed the following information was identified:

*Number of sponsors not previously deemed Convention Refugees - 19
*Number of sponsors formerly deemed Convention Refugees - 31
*Within the aforementioned subset of 31 sponsors formerly deemed Convention Refugees who, according to the FC1 applicant, had subsequently returned to Sri Lanka - 22

As this review was done based on statements applicants made during their immigration interview and not based on any formal entry control system, this information must be considered anecdotal in nature.

Numbers were counted within the sample group and no statistical modeling or statistical process was applied. As such, CBSA has no ability to state that this sample is statistically representative of any pattern that may or may not exist beyond this sample. Rather, these numbers are solely indicative of an observed pattern within the small sample reviewed.

Since there has been no analysis beyond what was on the immigration file in Colombo, these findings should be considered as context only.

Additionally based on the size and statistical validity of this sample, it should be noted that no conclusions should be reached on the comments/observations made on this file.

So it seems that this was not, in fact, a "secret government survey," but a review of a sampling of files from Sri Lankan nationals, some of whom were formerly found to be Convention refugees, who now want to sponsor family members to come to Canada. No weighting was done, and no claim has been made that the findings are representative of the total population. In fact, as far as CBSA is concerned, it "must be considered anecdotal in nature."

All of which may not make for quite as snappy a headline, but does, at least, provide some much needed context -- and when it comes to a public policy debate as emotional as this, it's hard to see how that could be a bad thing.

Our friend BigCityLib also provides further context by providing information from the Canadian Tamil Congress which indicates the trips back to Sri Lanka likely occurred during the four year cease fire.

“Send the illegals back!” shouted one young unemployed man from Hamilton as he grabbed a sign and joined the protest.

Perhaps this young man wouldn't be unemployed if he didn't stop to protest. Get a job you long-haired hippy!

See what we did there? You see, it's funny because when we protest, they tell us to get jobs. Funny, right? No? Oh, well, we'll move on (though we do have to wonder how Terry Tremaine, for whom Paulie cries poverty, managed to foot the bill to attend a protest in at least Hamilton and London).

Okay, while that might have been funny, this is hilarious:

Foreign ships engaged in human smuggling operations should not gain admittance to Canadian waters on principle: human smuggling is illegal. Other grounds include what is in the best interest of Canadians - what is in the best interest of human cargo destined to be utilized as sweated labour, or more chillingly, as operatives - and what is in the best interest of an ethnic community that has long endured Tiger fundraising shakedowns without recourse to Canada's legal remedies.”

Right. Paulie is deeply concerned with the welfare of the Tamil community in Canada. And we have a bridge to PEI we'd like to see you.

Paulie Protests in London

We don't think that it's too much of a stretch to suggest that some boneheads and their enablers are using the current anti-refugee xenophobic hysteria in an effort to drum up some mainstream public support.

Not long ago Paulie marched with the Calgary-based Aryan Guard (who's leader Kyle McKee was released from the Calgary Remand Centre a few months ago after pleading guilty to possessing bomb making materials but after attempted murder charges were dropped) to protest the then upcoming arrival of Tamil refugees. Then he was of to BC where Paulie and about a dozen people, some of whom look like they might have been alive to protest the MS St. Louis, protested the arrival of the refugees and demanded that they be kicked out of the country. While in BC he was afforded the uncritical attention of the media who failed to mention his long, long history with racist extremism in this country.

Thankfully, some of the media has made a point of examining the views of Paul Fromm as well as the people with whom he shares an ideological home with:

• Canadian media clamouring to give well known racist/neo-nazi a platform
• 'White supremacist' puts a genteel face on racism
• Immigrants and Canada: Time for a National Debate
• Don't listen to racists about Tamil refugees, says group
  

Yesterday, Paulie was back at it in London, Ontario and boy, oh boy, was the cast of characters (though small in number) ever a motley crew:

Hmmmm. Terry has really let himself go.

So we now have Paulie with:

• Terry Tremaine, disgraced university lecturer as well as the founder and leader of the tiny neo-Nazi group the National-Socialist Party of Canada
  
• Davie Ruud of the Northern Alliance
• Tomasz Winnicki who proudly describes himself as London's biggest hater.
• Someone who we believe is Louis Morin, an old Heritage Front member
• Assorted boneheads
  

Wow, talk about the company you keep.

London Pride Parade Goes On Without A Hitch

Earlier this month we wrote about David Ruud and the remnant of the Northern Alliance effort to stage an anti-Pride protest this past weekend.

By most accounts, it went pretty much as we expected.

Now this isn't to say that no one showed up. Perhaps they did, however no one we've spoken to or who have contacted us saw hide nor hair of them, which sort of misses the point of a public protest.

Of course the usual suspects did show up with their poorly made signs quoting biblical texts condemning homosexuality. At this point they're just a part of the spectacle right now and are as entertaining as the parade itself. Still, there were those who did confront these protestors in a manner that we in the Collective can respect and would hope others would emulate.

Derisive mockery.

The following were borrowed (shamelessly stolen without asking permission but hoping that the subjects and photographer don't mind because they're really funny) from some of those protesters. We especially like the look of anti-pride protester who doesn't quite seem to get what's going on in the last photograph:

Other photographs from another person attending the event can be found here.

Putting Things in Perspective For Our Neo-nazi Friends

You know that you're on the lowest rung of the social acceptability ladder when even outlaw biker gangs don't want to demean themselves to be seen with you.

The following excerpt is found in The Bandido Massacre by Peter Edwards (also author of One Dead Indian which is about the death of Dudley George):

Chapter 6: No Surrender Crew reads as follows:

Despite Weiner [Kellestine's] strange and violent ways, Boxer [Muscedere - head of the Canadian Bandidos] wasn't about to abandon the man who had brought him into the outlaw biker fold. During Kellestine's frequent stays behind bars, Boxer would pass a hat for donations to help pay the mortgage and utilities at Weiner's farm. Others in the club grumbled that they weren't entitled to such largesse when they were in custody, but they didn't dare challenge Boxer on it, more out of respect for his hard knuckles than for Weiner's financial well-being. For his part, no one gave more to Kellestine than Boxer, so he didn't see why his other brothers shouldn't help out too.

As Boxer assumed the Bandidos' top Canadian post, he found he was always defending his old friend to other members. There was the embarrassment about the time that Weiner crashed a gay pride parade in London, flanked by white supremacists with shaved heads and black T-shirts with a clenched white fist logo on their backs. It was a public display by the Bikers Against Pedophiles group founded by Concrete Dave Weiche, the biker son of local Nazi Martin Weiche. In a symbolic message that only he could understand, Kellestine waved a Confederate flag in front of the news cameras and made a great show of moral rectitude. Toronto-area clubmates shuddered at the unseemly media freak show of Kellestine attempting to mock gays. There is an understanding that a one percenter club shouldn't get involved in any political cause, unless it was something that directly affects them, like motorcycle helmet laws. The idea is that they are supposed to be freedom-loving rebels, not bigots who try to impose their values on others. The Greater Toronto Area Bandidos worried that things like the Pride Parade debacle only destroyed whatever mystique they might have built up, and would inevitably make them targets of jokes themselves. "It makes you look like small-town hillbillies," one former Toronto area Bandido grumbled. "If you keep your mouth shut, you keep some mystique." Boxer also veered away from gay-bashing, just as he made it clear he wasn't a racist or anti-Semite. For someone who looked like a good old boy, he could be surprisingly liberal and tolerant. "They all have a mother," Boxer told a club friend. "People are who they are. They just have to be given respect. Look at how people look at us."

Keep this in mind as the Northern Alliance show up to protest the Pride Parade in London this July. Even the Bandidos want nothing to do with them.

Ruud Plans On Protesting Gay Pride Parade In London

The folks in London, Ontario celebrates their Pride Week a little later than most cities, but by all accounts it's a rocking affair. Of course it does attract it's fair share of protesters, but they've sort of become part of the show as they stand along the side of the street with their homemade signs that contain some well used rhetoric (i.e. wages sin yadda yadda yadda) calling on the parade participants to repent of their wicked ways.

In our experience, the parade participants are usually either quite pleasant to the protesters or mercilessly mock them because, well, they are sort of funny in their impotence.

One of the groups that has protested the parade in the past have been our good friends in the Northern Alliance and the Canadian Heritage Alliance, as well as some of their hanger-ons. Last year, they didn't show up. Couldn't get the numbers they wanted we guess, though they really have never been a large group at these events.

This year however, Stormfront user and Northern Alliance member, "For Honor" promises a return performance in the protester sideshow event:


Perhaps it would be useful to remind our readers who, "For Honor" is:

Yep, it's Dave Ruud. This picture was from a few years ago during another Pride Parade protest. He's also the go to guy in the Northern Alliance now that Jason Ouwendyk has dropped out of public.

Some of Ruud's fellow travelers aren't comfortable with his public announcement on Stormfront however:


Yep, Tom Winnicki, pictured at yet another Pride Protest in London, feels that Ruud has said too much:


But that hasn't stopped Ruud from providing other useful information:


The people involved in organizing the protest (i.e. getting people to show up and hold a sign while helplessly being the subject of pity and ridicule) are at great pains to stress that those who do participate are to leave their Nazi flags and symbols at home:


But we thought you were PROUD to be white? And by saying that this is a, "clean protest" is that a tacit admission that there is nothing, "clean" or particularly honest about, "White Nationalism."

Well we are shocked! Shocked we say!

But then considering the affinity of the Northern Alliance to Nazism, that might be more a self-reminder than anything:


That last picture includes Canadian Heritage Alliance leader Melissa Guille who has also attended the London protests in the past.

In fact, Ruud has a rather odd obsession with the London Pride week parade. We could post dozens of screen shots, but we'll limit it to a couple:

The protests also have attracted an odd group of people. Sort of like this guy:


So, who is Wayne Kellestine? We'll let Ruud explain:


Wow. Talk about the company you keep.

So who's going to be coming out? We think that we could start with those who attended the last protest in 2008. Ruud will be there of course and maybe Winnicki. We think that Guille might make an appearance as well:

Perhaps Randall Linton will show up:


It wouldn't be a protest without Tyler Chilcott:

And finally, this Northern Alliance member who's name we still aren't sure of (but would love to know):


As for this year's events, if you bring a camera, be sure to keep this humble blog in mind when you consider sharing.

Paul Fromm Might Be An Idiot..... Again

A few days ago during the scheduling of Terry Tremaine preliminary hearing, Paulie was roasted for breaching conditions of the publication ban. The judge suggested that Paulie could face prosecution for his violation, leaving that decision up to the crown prosecuter.

A normal, reasonable person would then decide it might be better to abide by the court's decision and to keep quite about in in public. Not Paulie though. In a display worthy of any playground temper tantrum, Paulie posts a message on Stormfront, refers to Richard Warman (who Fromm seems to believe had supplied the prosecutor with the Stormfront postings) as a, "tattle tale" and then goes on to write about more in-court discussions:

REGINA. November 28, 2009. "Teacher, teacher, Joey, is chewing gum." We all remember the prissy grade school tattle tale squealing on another child to get him into trouble. No one, not even most authority figures, like the tattle tale. People tattle usually, not out of some sense of justice or concern about important laws being violated, but out of some form of vindictiveness, an effort to hurt someone, or, in those long past school days, get some other kid into trouble.

The Regina Leader-Post (November 27, 2009) reported: "On Thursday, far-right activist, Paul Fromm with the Canadian Association for Free Expression, drew criticism from Crown prosecutor John Stoesser for allegedly breaching conditions of that ban through an Internet posting. Fromm has been present in the courtroom gallery throughout much of the hearing.

[Judge Bruce] Henning reminded Fromm about the publication ban. The judge said he'd leave it up to the Crown to decide whether to pursue contempt charges, and advised Fromm to speak to a lawyer if he has any questions or concerns.

"A few more details should be added. On Thursday, just before former political prisoner Terry Tremaine's preliminary hearing into a charge of violating Sec. 319, Canada's notorious "hate law", adjourned until March, Crown Prosecutor Stroesser rose waving a two page download from Stormfront. He indicated that this posting had been brought to his attention (umm, by whom, one wonders?) and that it might constitute a breach of the court ordered ban on publication of the evidence before the preliminary hearing. Judge Henning took a quick glance at it and refused to act further, saying that, if the Crown had concerns, it was up to them to proceed.

Stroessser later said that he doubted that my report crossed the line, but, as a complaint had been made, he had brought it to the attention of the Court, and warned me to be careful.

My posting on Stormfront had carefully avoided revealing the evidence or even the identity of Crown witnesses heard in the first week of hearings in this matter in October. The printoff, lovingly highlighted in yellow bore a distinct resemblence to the style of a certain Ottawa lawyer known to be a chronic complainer. Can I prove who's behind this? No, I can't PROVE it.

I do see a pattern. Richard Warman, the Sec. 13 champion complainant, filed the initial Sec. 13 complaint against Terry Tremaine for his Internet postings back in 2005. He almost immediately, long before the matter was adjudicated, wrote to Mr. Tremaine's then employer the University of Saskatchewan, demanding that "appropriate" action be taken. Mr. Tremaine lost his job as a part time lecturer. Mr. Warman subsequently filed a Sec. 319 complaint against Mr. Tremaine, which led to the current charges. There has been an all-out effort to destroy Mr. Tremaine and those who support his right to free speech.

My earlier writings decrying Mr. Warman's war on Internet dissent or what he's called "neo-Nazis" led to a long a costly libel suit against me and CAFE.

In August, 2008, in Hamilton, Ontario, during the Warman v Jason Ouwendyk and the Northern Alliance Canadian Human Rights tribunal, Mr. Warman was lurking around the security men who were checking people entering the Court building. I wasn't sure what the security guard muttered and he assumed from my large lawyer's briefcase that I was a lawyer. He waved me through, without the usual wanding and search. I was Mr. Ouwendyk's "agent" but am not a lawyer. Warman hopped up early in the hearing: "Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair" (I wondered whether he'd be addressing the table next). He proceeded breathlessly to suggest that I'd lied and somehow evaded or avoided or subverted security. The tribunal chairman said, "Let's just move on."

However, you get the picture.

It is very dangerous in Canada to publicly dissent from political correctness, especially on the Internet. Warman had made the lives of dissenters hell, with a torrent of Sec. 13 complaints. Those who have protested these persecutions, like myself, have also come under attack. Lawyers like Douglas Christie and Ezra Levant who have stood up for victims of various human rights commissions have also been the objects of Law Society complaints by some in the "human rights" industry.

Paulie seems to be treating the judicial system, something he clearly has no understanding of based on this prissy fit or his "help" of various idiological allies. His failures however make it fun for us to ridicule him.

Paulie should be aware, however, that Mr. Warman isn't the only person watching who might slip information to the prosecution.

Chew on that a little bit.

Bandidos Murder Trial: The "White Nationalist" Connection.

Today, three men were convicted in the Bandido murder trial. Wayne Kellestine, Michael Sandham, and Dwight Mushey were all found guilty on eight counts of first degree murder. Two other men, Frank Mather and Marcelo Aravena were found guilty of one count each of manslaughter and seven counts of first-degree murder each. The final suspect, Brett Gardiner, was found guilty of two counts of manslaughter and six counts of first-degree murder.

The 2006 massacre is considered to be the largest mass murder in Ontario history.

We at the ARC Collective have been following this case since before there was an ARC Collective because of the links to the Canadian, "White Nationalist" movement. The first link became apparent to us when the father of one Bandito associate was interviewed in April 2006 by the media ("Winnipeg Sun") soon after the murders took place:

LONDON, Ont. -- A local Bandidos associate who recently moved to Winnipeg should "disappear" for a while following last week's massacre, his worried, white-supremacist father says.

David Weiche, described by one London biker as "the right-hand man" of Bandidos massacre murder suspect Wayne Kellestine, should keep a low profile, his father Martin Weiche, a well-known London neo-Nazi, warned.

"If I was David ... I'd go and hide," Martin Weiche told Sun Media, adding his son moved to Winnipeg about three months ago.

"I would quickly disappear for a few weeks. The murderers are still out there."

Martin Weiche's history in the Canadian racist movement goes back for decades. Born in Germany, Martin Weiche was a member of the Hitler Youth and fought for Germany during World War II. In 1968, he ran for for Parliament as a "National Socialist." He was an early associate of John Beattie, the founder of the Canadian Nazi Party. In 1981, Weiche was implicated in a failed coup called, "Operation Red Dog" which included Stormfront owner Don Black and the founder of the Heritage Front, the late Wolfgang Droege. Weiche is also believed to have been an early funder of Paul Fromm before some sort of falling out occurred between the two men.

Another more direct, and very interesting, link to the Canadian, "White Nationalist" movement occurred on July 10, 2005. On that day, the Canadian hate group the Northern Alliance was protesting, as they had done in the past and would do so in the future, the Gay Pride Parade in London, Ontario. Many of the regulars, including Fromm, participated in the protest:

Jason Ouwendyk, the then leader of the Northern Alliance (along with Tara Dribnenki in the white shorts).

Tomasz Winnicki.

Nathan Touchette, a former roommate of Kyle McKee of the Aryan Guard.

And David Ruud ("For Honour" on Stormfront).

There was also another group that showed up:

Dave Ruud was the first over to welcome the bikers, and ran quickly to them to shake hands as they were giving sieg heil (nazi) salutes.

Included among the bikers was Wayne Kellestine (right photo) who would later go on to face eight charges of first-degree murder in the shooting deaths of eight men on April 8, 2006. Kellestine, also known as "Wiener," once served as the leader of both the Annihilators and St. Thomas Loners, two biker gangs that are now defunct.

According to the Toronto Star, Kellestine loved to pose for photographs in front of his collection of Nazi memorabilia at his London-area farmhouse.

And, of course today Kellestine and six others were convicted of several counts of murder and manslaughter.

At the time of the gay pride parade protest, the bikers were viewed differently: